But I do prefer to sticking to the basics. I can hard cast plain lead in whatever size needed for prototyping and testing, but jacketed bullets will still be needed, somewhere down the timeline. 1, to some very fine bolt actions, to the much-maligned AR platform in both factory and homemade variations. With mid length gas and 20 inch barrel bone stock gas,and bolt it ate everything I put through it. I have counted 50+ deer yarding at one time in a cornfield more than once. Much better représentatives of the state. Original owner. 1 single shot rifle, AR-15 rifles, as well as an AR-15 pistol by Franklin Armory.[5]. Your article is misinformed put a real scope with turrets on a 450 bushmaster dial up 21 moa and your hitting 8 in plates at 400 yds 44 mag is nothing close too a 450 . The first thing that the beginner should understand about the .450 Bushmaster is that it makes very little sense at all. It is not over-powered; have you seen what 12 ga slugs do to a whitetail at 50 yards? That being said, If I was stuck on a desert island and could only have one firearm ………. OUT OF STOCK (13) Ruger 8334 American Rimfire Bolt .22 LR 18" Threaded Barrel 10+ OUT OF STOCK (2) Ruger HKM77LRSG 375 RUG GUIDE Stainless Steel $ 1,068.00. I only had my life threatened one of those times. Shop our vast selection and save! Featuring quick-take-down, tools-free disassembly, it’s also a great stowaway emergency/survival gun for the camp, boat, or truck. IMHO shows real promise for the recoil sensitive or youth shooters. The SCOUT .450 Bushmaster comes with a 25” (heavier calibers) fluted stainless steel barrel and a DF muzzlebrake. I have built 4 more for relatives and friends and if there ever was any problem with those rifles I would have heard of it. Almost the whole way through, I’m thinking, “But I have NEVER had a loading or cycling problem with MY AR .450 BM using Brenton USA mags…”, Guess I did my homework first and picked the right magazine maker. That should take care of the body taper. Buckle up, kids, we’re going to cover a lot of ground in the next 1,900 words. Been done. G.C. (60 mm) OAL to the now standard 1.700 in. As far as rifles for this round go, you can find them from an increasing number of makers, but I’ll give you the highlights here: Ruger: In addition to their Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle, which may be one of the best medium-range hunting rifles you can own today, they also make their affordable Ruger American Rifle Ranch model in .450. 1:10 twist is required to stabilize subsonic bullets in barrels under 12″. Perhaps with only a new, custom, follower. A ten round 5.56 holds three 450 Bushmaster. Why not compare 450 Bushmaster to 12 ga slugs, because that’s the real choice for actual real world hunters? Also, a name change to ".450 Bushmaster" was approved. Hands down one of the most accurate bolt guns I have shot out of the box. The fact is that Iowa laws will NEVER allow for traditional rifle cartridges like .30-06. One wouldn’t even need to machine the bolt face. My favorite round is now the 450 BM… Dropped a 250lb bear in it’s tracks…. Got 2 deer with it this year but the range is far more limited, (for me), than will be the 450BM. I just know what I am doing. Just wanted to say this is my caliber to make an “ignorant” AR pistol from. This means that the case body isn’t supported by the magazine lips along the whole length. I knew absolutely nothing about this Cartridge before this article so I guess I learned something. I can legally hunt deer in my state with a .22 magnum. Other Guns: Savage, CVA, and several other makers have bolt actions, break-actions, and more available. Stock is glass bedded with DevCon. Hand fit everything together ( not slap together and go) I noticed right off the bat the AR 5.56 mag follower would not work. the same lower I still use with a .223 Wylde upper and it functions perfectly with that buffer. [4] The cartridge is chambered in bolt action rifles by Ruger, Savage, and Remington, Ruger's No. It is a fun round that you KNOW you’re shooting. bullets because of the lower impact velocities and energies would not adequately expand the heavier jacketed .458 in. I’ve seen it happen frequently. It’s easy; the DNR wants as many coyotes killed as possible and only wants to control the deer herd. That’s just irresponsible. Like my father would often say “Ohio does keep Kentucky from bumping into Michigan”. Knowing what needs to be tweaked saves a lot of frustration. Ever hear “Sunspot Baby”, IMO one of the best songs ever? Plus, every HUNTER model is perfectly balanced in a 100% ambidextrous composite stock making the gun incredibly quick to aim and shoot. The answer is in the case. Every one of those hits was from a deer clearing cover at full speed, head down in a full out run. Do the research and you will see a 450 works best in AR platform with a longer barrel and a mid length gas or rifle gas. I’ve never seen an AR barrel for sale with a .416 bore but Lilja(my favorite) or some other custom barrel maker should be able to provide one on order. Keep your eyes on Brenton USA, my friends. Do I need it? “Night Moves” is the saddest song ever. Plus been told by a few others DRT or 2-4 steps. The beginner should know that there are forces that drive sales and popularity, but not all are valid or even logical. In my opinion, no rebated case is ever going to be satisfactory in an autoloading action. Ammo is somewhat expensive and can be hard to find, unlike common rounds like .44 Mag. One thing about 10mm, it’s almost automatic to call it the 10mm Mag. With cases trimmed to 1.690″, flash hole reamed and cases fully prepped those handloads shot under .75moa using a Lee FCD on the last pass through the press. It still might be doable in a small shop like mine though. Designed with a 1-shot capacity, the Ruger No 1 Laminate .450 Bushmaster Falling-Block Rifle is made with a stainless-steel barrel and receiver. Michigan may have the best beaches, but Illinois leads in the category of legislative ignorance. I decided on this barrel … The trajectory of most .450 factory ammo allows you to zero at about 200 yards and hold right on anywhere inside that. Other then a few firearms chambered for it. Hell a 22lr will kill deer but use an ethical round and shot placement. I’ll draw up some reamer specs over the next couple of days. Gun #: 925352978. The cartridge also suffers from another problem: weak sauce loads. Limiting rifle use for deer has never been about ‘safety’ it’s always been about limiting effectiveness- everywhere in the Midwest where rifle hunting has not been legal. While I rightly despise the 6.5 Creedmoor as the lame imitator that it is, I am a .260 Rem fan. Cooper was dissatisfied with the small-diameter 5.56×45mm NATO (.223 Remington) of the AR-15, and envisioned a need for a large bore (.44 cal or greater) cartridge in a semi-automatic rifle to provide one-shot kills on big-game animals at 250 yards. It has been around for quite a long time as the ‘Remington Maximum’. (Pro tip: they can’t.). 1 single-shot in stainless and laminate that I have had the pleasure of testing. Flattened primers and face full of unburnt powder is all I can get to. Amen Dan. Their practical skills tend to end with addition, as in: “add up this column of figures….”. That was a good beginner article if I ever saw one.). Considering that most all deer hunting occurs inside 200 yards, with most in Michigan at only about 50 yards, it is certainly overkill. The use a 275 gr Barnes XPB all copper bullet. The .450 Bushmaster is one of the most unlikely cartridges to achieve success in recent years, but I like to think that it has the potential to become a favorite. And the capacity still ought to push a 300 grain slug at 1500 fps or more. 250-grain pointed SST flex-tip bullet. The .450 BM is sort of the Star Wars: The Last Jedi of the cartridge world. I like shotguns, but for turkey and such. If the DNR suddenly changed their case size laws, the .450 would instantly be forgotten. $995.00. It isn’t a long-range round, but it’s capable of delivering more lead inside its effective range than almost any other round in common use today. Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, and Iowa are among the states where a somewhat new cartridge is taking the woods and fields by storm. I want to wildcat one. I have a bushmaster upper with a ruger muzzle device on a rock river .458 lower with a GL shock stock and mine doesn’t really have much kick at all. A lot of what you say is true and if you can handle it IMHO, after 40 years of hunting with many weapons, the 450BM is just about the most effective caliber I’ve ever seen for deer inside of 200 yards. Great Lakes Firearms AR-15 Barrel .450 Bushmaster 18" Mid Gas 1:24 Steel Black N... Great Lakes Firearms AR-15 Barrel .450 Bushmaster ... Our Low Price $219.97 This is the kind of thing he digs on. The Amish love them. I have been shooting the Rem Max for many years in a Springfield S.A.S.S. Rifles and ammo are on the shelves now. I am ocassionally a range safety officer during site in days at a club here. Threaded, 1/2-28 thread, with barrel nut, handguard cap and front sight housing with bayonet lug, Barrel diameter .750 at front sight base. There are enough AR gas systems on the market for almost anything, so that shouldn’t be much of an obstacle. Also modded the uppers for a proper feed ramp and ejection port. The stainless-steel cryo-treated barrel is 16 inches long, has a 1:24-inch twist, and comes with an RRA Operator muzzle brake installed. 450 stainless upper in the 18″ variety. When it comes to the .450 Bushmaster I fail to see what it brings to the table. This rifle has a classic hunting rifle look with the walnut stock and blued finish. Can’t wait to shoot them in my 20″ AR once I’m down South on some pigs, that rifle has never missed a beat in 8 seasons of hunting. It works great on feral hogs!! This guy would argue using a .416 Rigby to hunt a pussy cat. As I am an avid reloader I can see what different hand loads can do. I have been developing loads for a few years now, and can tell you that in the 77 action with the 16″ barrel, you cant overload a 250gn projectile with Lil Gun to the point of destruction. The .450 Bushmaster is descended from the "Thumper" concept popularized by gun writer Jeff Cooper. I also like my Henry BB in 45 Colt. 1 - … Its not too hard on the old ears. I have also never had an issue with the rifle not cycling but I do only use five round mags loaded with three rounds. For as much as I make fun of the 6.5 Creedmoor and its salivating, sore-wristed followers, I can see that it does have some advantages for playing games and hunting small to medium game at close ranges over legacy rifle cartridges, especially in the hands of the small-statured and the young. I will say some positive things about it, so be patient. If I had to take a shot for every time I heard some braggart talk about shooting deer at 900 yards, my liver would have shut down years ago. I have had very few opportunities at over 125 yard in southern mi. It’s comparable to a .45-70 and is relatively violent in terms of how much it drives into the shoulder. In the BM they are about 1/2 the cost of the slugs and get better ballistics from the Rugers and the American RR is about 200 dollars less than the Savage bolt 20ga. Let me repeat that for you: the .450 Bushmaster owes its success to state laws, not its superior ballistics, marketing, or ease of use. Hell, it may be known as the cartridge that introduced a new generation of deer hunters to the woods. Ive sold my 45-70. I have it in the Ruger Gunsite Stainless and am 4 deer 4 shots with it. All I’ve heard has been comments like flawless, cannon, DRT, under 1 moa and How much for another ? Just got an AR chambered in .458 socom…bigger round, better ballistics…why bother with the smaller nonsense(only for the hunting reason above?). Have shot 8 of them now with it and all have been DRT, no tracking. either one is a good deer gun to 150 yds if you can hit well with it. yep you win. SHOULD .450 Bushmaster be the best rifle round legal in Iowa? 3) works flawlessly in the AR I built- and had a blast doing it -without requiring major alterations to every part -and the same for my son and friend who built one after seeing mine -and both our Bushy magazines and our 223 magazines feed correctly I’d like to see some dedicated hot bolt-action loads that have a longer OAL to prevent them from fitting in an AR mag at some point in the future. So.. the .450BM guns and ammo should be in the same section of the gun store with the rifled shotgun barrels and slug shells made for such. After blowing holes through deer with my 30-06 and 35 Whelen and tracking them all day I bought a 450BM upper for my AR. Both +500 favorites this weekend, Michigan State FAILED. It’s called a 350 Legend. Flattened remingotn 7.5 primers of course are the norm at this point. You need that extra slice of pie? 22 mag it’s only for head shot but the 450 is a 1 shot kill providing you hit the boiler room. In Bushmaster's 2016 sales brochure, all new-production XM-15s are stated to be supplied with a 4150 steel barrel. The center of the build here is Brownell’s amazing barrel, bolt, and muzzle brake set (Brownells 450 Bushmaster 16″ Barrel for Carbine Gas System: 080-001-361WB). Mine is as accurate as any 45-70 I own ( two, both single shots). It’s not exactly a classic, but one day it might get there. Went home and found a dandy load in the Western Powders Load Book, 7th ed. The .450 generates a tremendous amount of recoil, even in an AR. I like that it isn’t a long-range round. The problem with this is that the relatively flimsy AR action is prone to damage when introduced to the type of pressure the .450 BM can generate if loaded hot. Makes a awesome range toy and will kill anything big enough to die. Your daughter or someone else? Rounds can lift point-up and cause the action to jam. With 7.62X39 out of the question, I think that is still about the most that one can open up an AR bolt, at .447 inch. I think I just found my next personal project… I’m going to contact Lilja right now. same problem with the 12 ga full power sabot slugs . 2) is easily the best of those legal in Iowa for rifles, even ahead of 45-70 govt That’s currently changing, but it has been a long, uphill battle. Barrel weight: 1.34 lbs. I’ve lived here most of my 60 years and have only needed to go down into Detroit 4 or 5 times. I’ve had issues with all the above as far as reliability, but that’s much more a magazine problem than anything having to do with the gun. The 450BM is a straight walled cartridge. It hammers deer, I’d probably prefer 357 AR rimless max if major manufactures did pressure tests and got 358 rifle bullets hitting 2600 fps ie 180 grain Barnes. Have you seen any stuff for it? There are ballistic tables in the Hornady reloading manuals. KSA Youth Crickett Precision Rifle, Single Shot, .22LR, 16.12" Threaded Bull Barrel, 1 Round I have 3 of them and every one of them is sub MOA. (45 mm) case and 2.362 in. Lacking the manufacturing to create one’s own mags, It would have to be on a STANAG mag body with mods. And we’d lose the taper and rebated rim that cause so many problems. Michigan State will always play second fiddle to Michigan. AR Rifles: Bushmaster, Remington, Windham, and many others make good quality AR rifles for the .450. His opinions are just that: opinions. Just an update, picked up a Ruger in 450BM and with a 2×7 Vortex scope on top it shot to just over .75moa right out of the gate after break in with factory loads. If you want full pass through at 200 yards I would not use the Hornady Black, i does dump all the energy in the Deer but at the cost of none to low blood trail. Ill has us beat there . I just put a feeler out to RCBS to see if they would be interested in doing the chamber reamer. Seller: FandWGuns FandWGuns. Hornady has a 250gr FTX load that has been the standard for years. ; ). The law looks at the side of the case along the datum line not the cartridge as a whole. How about something like an elongated .475 Linebaugh with a standard 12mm rim in a DPMS G2? Sub MOA accuracy and 6 DRT deer convinced me but then NY outlawed AR’s. The 450BM is popular for far more reasons than just legal ones. “Traditional” “sentiment” need not apply. Barrel . Another benefit the .450 has it that it is generally pretty accurate. Hell yes it recoiled more, DUH that was expected. Spot on. I have hunted deer here since 1974. the 450 BM is overkill on deer and small shooters alike. I’ve left the brake off for good, as I dont use hearing protection in the scrub. Sometimes we get things for more than just the statistics. $350 for Stainless Steel Finish: 13.125″ – 15.875″ $380 for Chrome Moly Blued Finish: $380 for Stainless Steel Finish: 16.25″ – 27″ $425 for Chrome Moly Blued Finish: $425 for Stainless Steel Finish They just released a new AR rifle chambered for it. I have been to their facility and have seen with my own eyes the level of engineering and innovation that has been done to produce the finest .450 hunting rifles available. It didn’t hiccup once from the first round fired, EVER! The build features a featherlight contour stainless steel barrel with a seamless removable radial muzzle brake and a carbon fiber composite gunstock. (57.40 mm) OAL. The Barnes or Bear Creek Copper bullets offer better performance in this area. Well, I have learned nothing but ranting and whining. I built mine from standard parts and used a mid gas, 20″ BM barrel. 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