(I've re-read that bit, it makes sense.) An incredible performance in my opinion by Kotronias, even though many posters ran computer analyses and found that either some of Kotronias' sacrifices were not quite sound and that Black could have defended better. =9 Karjakin 2791 0 0 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ * ½ 3 1½ by: Bonita Cornute. does that a lot when it comes to displaying the players' rating which, BTW, is not one of the required fields to be included in the PGN header. Previous GCT event: St. Louis Rapid & Blitz (Blitz) (2018). Given that both engines are very, very, very strong players, how was one engine able to defeat the other? Messages posted by Chessgames members 2018 Sinquefield Cup 2018 - Conclusion. So be it. Chess 960 will result in someone getting murdered! All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration. Vachier-Lagrave, Maxime – So, Wesley ½-½. then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion. (licence 48),Last Upload: boyd reed The games in St. Louis begin at 1 p.m. Central U.S. time daily (8 p.m. Central Europe). But the beauty of chess is ALSO the relative experience of it. I'm sure I'm not far wrong in saying 90% of these computer dumps without a header or diagram go unplayed. But OTB (literally and figuratively in the case of computers) can't be perfect in the sense that one or both players play the objectively best move whenever they have the chance. I personally think that use of multiple engines is essential in arriving at a definitive evaluation of a position since different engines have different evaluation functions and may come up with different evaluations. The event is the last leg of the 2018 Grand Chess Tour before the final in London, with Carlsen joining the tour regulars as a wild card. I'll bet that most of us would pick the speculative move. should be easily done. After all, in the actual game the position after 41.Qf4 which caused Spassky to resign was and "obvious loss" for Black. In my modest chess library I have "John Nunn's Chess Course" which is mainly based on the games of Lasker. Rc1 c5 17. dxc5 bxc5 18. It is made even more fruitless by the fact this site does not have a method of displaying a PGN in a post. The Sinquefield Cup sees Magnus Carlsen and 9 more of the world's best players compete in the Saint Louis Chess Club from 18-27 August 2018. I kid you not! Standings affter four GCT events: 1 Nakamura with 34.5 GCT points (GP), 2 Aronian (34), 3 MVL (31), =4 Caruana (26), =4 So (26), 6 Karjakin (25.5), 7 Mamedyarov (25), 8 Grischuk (18), 9 Anand (15). Qxc3 d5 7. do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors. Sure, games between, say 1400 rating players will be packed with faults. The poster did preface his post by saying that Kasparov believed that Spassky would not have been hopelessly lost if he had played 22...Nb6 instead of 22...Rb8, implying that while 22.e5 might have deserved a "! After all, Tal is my all-time favorite player and even he admitted that many of his sacrifices were not quite sound. According to this article chess or a reasonably recognizable facsimile goes back at least 1,500 years and precursors of chess go back much further. Watch high quality chess videos about Sinquefield Cup 2018 by Daniel King & Lawrence Trent & Simon Williams Watch chess videos with thousands of hours of top analysis by chess masters covering strategies, openings, and more. I, for one, probably don't adhere to the PGN standard when I post analyses, whether they're my own or computer generated, and maybe I should. The event was the 4th and last leg of the 2018 Grand Chess Tour before the final in London, with Magnus Carlsen joining the tour regulars as a wild card. Each of these players had three-points from the five rounds so far. Due to time constraints, each person will be allowed one autograph per player. If they do, then who is to say that one engine's evaluation is better than the evaluation of another engine of comparable playing strength? breakfast included, Chess Rate: $115/King, $119/Double, I addressed that question to above must maybe you can answer it. Most of the information in the PGN header is irrelevant since you are not looking at a , you're looking at an analysis which can, at best, be considered a fragment of a game. WINNERS : Magnus Carlsen. Aronian, Levon – Carlsen, Magnus ½-½. Sinquefield Cup 2018 Round 2: The Magic of Magnus Carlsen by V. Saravanan - 20/08/2018 Call it a coincidence but exactly a year back in the Sinquefield Cup 2017 , Carlsen was white against Karjakin in round 2 and Carlsen won the game and led the event along with Caruana and MVL. Second, he didn't seem to have done any forward sliding to try to see if there were any deviations by Black that would have improved his chances and to determine if the analysis suffered from the horizon effect or overly-aggressive search tree pruning. (though here as in the case of 960 some do enjoy posting this stuff...so be it.). I don't see it as a flaw or a mistake that should be rectified.>. I let out a big laugh and both my wife and the others in line turned around to see what the noise was. Usually you have [fen]the fen[/fen]. Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times. 13 photos Sinquefield Cup 2018: Closing. ". Meet & Greet Autograph Session Attendees are welcome to bring their own items to be autographed, and singable merchandise will be available for purchase at the Saint Louis Chess Club. All it takes is finding a reason to justify the effort required against the benefit of having this capability. But how would an analyst know if, say, a player was under the weather, had a bad night's sleep, had a fight with his/her significant other, was suffering from the proverbial jet lag, or other things like that? The five-way tie is still there, going into the rest day. If anything it is the one offering conjecture. A rare treat, or perhaps a letdown, awaits online chess viewers this weekend when the $300,000 (£233,000) Sinquefield Cup at St Louis reaches its decisive closing rounds. If you already have a username, It's obvious that the poster doesn't seem to know how to use chess engines to reach a definitive evaluation of a position. That can be discussed, corrected or even endorsed and the corrector corrected. And a game between two strong engines is equally fascinating (at least to me) but for different reasons. True, we are all different and enjoy different things. Hopefully you consider this computer-generated posted analysis of mine (and the post that follows it) as passing the 20,000 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean test: M Stean vs Browne, 1974 (kibitz #56). In […check it out!] That's OK and understandable. IF perfection was paramount, only + 2750 players should be allowed to play chess and enjoy their games. Sinquefield Cup 2018 at St. Louis Chess Club Spirit of St. Louis. It doesn't diminish my enjoyment of these games in any way. In my opinion all that computers have done is raised the ante on the amount of memorization that is required at the highest level. You can learn from it by finding out the reasons why it didn't succeed and improve your game as a result. I fairness to the poster he did indicate that the Stockfish line that he posted was "an example best-play variation", implying that there are other possible "best play" lines. After all, what is and is not chess is a matter of personal opinion since, as Donald Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani indicated, "Truth is not truth" .(https://www.cnn.com/videos/cnnmoney...). Over the course of nine rounds, these competitors will battle for $300,000 in prize money, points toward the Grand Chess Tour , and the coveted title of 2018 Sinquefield Cup Champion. Nc3 e6 3. d4 Bb4 4. =1 Carlsen 2866 ½ * ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 5½ 15 In adddition to tour points the prize fund is $300,000, with $75,000 for 1st place. 2018 Sinquefield Cup/ Final: 2 descisive games.. Ending in a 3 way Tie for first place.. =1 Caruana 2785 ½ ½ * ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 5½ 15 100%. Sinquefield Cup - Watch Live. for all the missing field. * All times listed are CDT (GMT-5). [+M7]: 41...Qg8 42.Qe5 Qxg2+ 43.Kxg2 Rg7+ 44.Kf3 Rc8 45.e7 Kh7 46.Qf5+ Rg6 47.Qxg6+ Kh8 48.Qxh6#, 2. (licence 48),Last Upload: boyd reed With five rounds played, four remained. Sinquefield Cup 2018: Round 6. They'll do their job badly, and confuse and mislead their readers. A human could know all of this, and more. Last update 30.08.2018 14:04:08, Creator: south african chess fed. But I also added some here enjoy posting this stuff. If the human annotators don't use computers to check their work, they'll make mistakes (big and little). If the intention is to analyse chess positions and gain new understanding I am all in for it. One morning when I came to pick it up the gal who made it (who I've known for years and knows how I like my latte) told me that a "well meaning stranger" saw my completed latte, told her that she had made it wrong, and proceeded to tell her how to do it "properly". We are one of the very few sites that do not have a pgn thingy. This is a first-come, first-served event. Kxf1 Qc8 13. However, if the programmes are used to conquer half of the games as it happens not too rarely now, then it becomes a battle between those who are best at memorizing what the machine created and that, my dear AK, is what I see as dystopy for chess. visit the Kibitzer's Café. 8/21/2018 – Three rounds have already been played at this year’s Sinquefield Cup. While Aronian is no stranger to success in Saint Louis, having won the Sinquefield Cup in 2015 and the Saint Louis Rapid and Blitz in 2017, Mamedyarov is making his debut as an official player in the Grand Chess Tour. If the human annotators don't use computers to check their work, they'll make mistakes ", The key words your are using is 'their work. So this makes a pgn viewer thing all the more a necessity. I see you're still writing nonsense about computers.". Four Draws Today and One Win with Black.. Mamedyarov, Shakhriyar – Caruana, Fabiano ½-½. At this year's autograph day, we will also have a special autograph session with the authors of The Sinquefield Cup Celebrating Five Years 2013 - 2017. Blow the whistle and inform a moderator. Fabiano Caruana vs. Hikaru Nakamura. But, regardless, it's what you like that's important. In order to accommodate as many attendees as possible, photos with players will not be allowed. Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC. But it doesn't conform to the PGN standard either. And I doubt that perfection in chess will be achieved any time soon, certainly not in our lifetime, so we still have the rest of our lives to enjoy these not too imperfect games. Certainly to you. As far as chess becoming a battle between those who are best at memorizing what has been analyzed before, that's hardly new. #2017 Sinquefield Cup Navy Short-Sleeve Polo #2017 Sinquefield Cup Navy Short-Sleeve Polo. ", it did not necessarily lead to a lost position for Black. Everyone learns. St. Louis 19 August, 2018 17:24 IST India’s Viswanathan Anand held Hikaru Nakmura of the U.S. to an easy draw in the first round of the USD 300,000 Sinquefield Cup, a … Over the course of nine rounds, these competitors will battle for $300,000 in prize money, points toward the Grand Chess Tour, and the coveted title of 2018 Sinquefield Cup Champion. The three decided to share the first place and not to have any playoff. Kf2 Rab8 19. The Sinquefield Cup finished a few days ago and I would like to share some impressions I got from the tournament. So such fruitless analyses not restricted to computers. Nunn says in the introduction, "I have chosen the games solely for their instruction qualities." As far as analysis without any explanation, whether it's done by humans or computers, being a fruitless exercise, I agree. This morning there was a longer than usual line to order the lattes so I starting to look at while in line. Last update 30.08.2018 14:04:08, Creator: south african chess fed. If the analyst is trying to come up with such explanations then that's just pure conjecture on their part, nothing more. In this commemorative book, authors Maurice Ashley, Tatev Abrahamyan, Alejandro Ramirez, Yasser Seirawan, and Jennifer Shahade each examine a year of America's strongest international tournament, along with photographs, games, and more. Assuming, of course, that Kasparov's assessment was accurate. With respect to the claim that Fischer's 22.e5 was not the best in the position from Fischer vs Spassky, 1972, based on a 82-ply analysis, that makes me gag. The 2018 Sinquefield Cup is an elite international event, featuring 10 of the strongest chess players in the world. Some reasons such as time trouble and perhaps a player pressing because it's the last round of the tournament and they need a win with the Black pieces to tie or overtake the tournament leader would be reasonable explanations and this information is not typically available to chess engines. As far as this site not having at least a link to a PGN browser, that's unfortunate. Till that happy day when C.G. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language. Next (and last): London Chess Classic GCT Finals (2018). Levon Aronian All three players agreed to opt out of the play-off and share the no.1 spot.. [The Play off between 3 … No, this hasn't been done (yet). The Sinquefield Cup sees Magnus Carlsen and 9 more of the world's best players compete in the Saint Louis Chess Club from 18-27 August 2018. I can slip that note in, it's beautiful (and I do give a computer credit.). No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts. The 4th place was decided by a Rapid playoff at the Saint Louis Chess Club on 28 August. OTB chess is about finding the best chances, not necessarily the objectively best move. Here are the special draw rules that were in effect for the 2018 Sinquefield Cup: 8. Four different players have achieved a single win to share the lead on 2/3 — the last one to join this group was Alexander Grischuk, who defeated Hikaru Nakamura with the black pieces on Monday. Only the player can answer if those factors affected his/her play. Bg5 dxc4 8. So I think that any PGN viewer could, if desired, display the required header tag descriptors and something like "???" But I suspect that will be a tougher nut to crack. A human noting up a game can look at across table, see previous results between the two players, read reports of the game or even have talked to one or both of the players or read accounts of those who have. Nothing fancy. The five-way tie is still there, going into the rest day. The event is the penultimate leg of the 2018 Grand Chess Tour, with the tour regulars joined by wild card Magnus Carlsen. This forum is for this specific tournament only. A small basic one. 98 photos Sinquefield Cup 2018: Round 8. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 GP Very few of the computer posters actually give a full header including a fen so you can, if you are interested, copy and paste it straight into a pgn browser. A fight almost broke out ... And, since you were instrumental in getting a pgn viewer thing on the ECF forum and pestering the powers that be to get one on RHP in 2008, you seem to be the perfect man to accomplish something similar at . Imagine the scene. Thus Nakamura, Aronian, Vachier-Lagrave and Caruana qualified for the London Chess Classic GCT Finals (2018). The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited. They all realise that they could be beaten severely by any of the best programmes available, but fortunately they keep playing their games with the errors and mistake in the wake. There is no information in a PGN header that is required in order to display the moves. Occasionally when I have use one and I have to nudge it towards an interesting position it refused to display it can, and has, dropped a beautiful variation into my lap. But if both 22.e5 and 22.Qh3 lead to a win for White in a similar number of moves, why quibble as to which one is a better move? to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. See something that violates our rules? What did the losing engine do wrong and why are some of the questions that I find fascinating. 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